TORE February 2013

Minutes – Toronto East District Meeting

Date: February 6th, 2013 – 7:30 PM

Meeting was scheduled for the Highland Yacht Club, moved to Scarborough Bluffs Sailing Club, as HYC host was unable to reach the club due to severe weather.  Numerous regrets sent via email due to the severe weather.   All boats to be reviewed were mailed to handicappers and assistants prior to meeting for pre-review.

In attendance:

Robert Lenters – CYC
David Morton – LSYA
Owen Schneider – CYBC

Meeting called to order 7:45PM.

Agenda:

1. Review of any outstanding issues from 2012.
2. Review of the 2013 and 2014 Changes (available on the PHRF-LO website).
3. Review of new handicaps from the district.
4. Review of Central Council handicap alert list.
5. Round table discussion.
6. Close.

Meeting Notes:

Item 1 – No issues remaining that those in attendance were aware of, issue closed.

Item 2 – Discussed changes, no issues with them.  Group stated education needed to racers to inform them of changes.  Discussed the potential to clearly link PHRF-LO measurement to the 2013-2016 ERS.

Item 3 – Switch order with Item 4.  Review of Alert List.  Only boats from the TORE district (or TORE with other districts) considered and discussed.

BENETEAU 1ST 38S5 SD

+6

n/c

BENETEAU OCEANIS 351 WK

n/c

-6

CATALINA 34-2 WK TM

n/c

+6

GOMAN EXP 30-2 SD

n/c

n/c

HUNTER 37 LENGEND WK

n/c

n/c

SIRIUS 28

n/c

n/c

STAR 30 CUS 2

n/c

n/c

TRIPP 33

n/c

n/c

This final list was the result of in meeting discussion and e-mail correspondence with James Dike and Andrew Sensicle of WYC who provided input.

Item 4 – New Boats:

New boats were discussed at length, with information, photos and data as provided by proposing handicappers and as found on the web. Order presented below may not be accurate to the order of discussions.

Summary Table of Ratings

New Boats

FS

NFS

Martin 243 AL

69

102

Mirage 32

165

189

Catalina 355 WK

127

148

Morgan 33 T

160

184

C&C 30-2 XL MOD

144

165

CS 36 MOD

129

153

Custom 24-II MOD

189

207

Hunter 216 MOD

189

207

Tanzer 28 MOD

207

231

Ajax 28 MOD

186

210

 

Discussions

 

In format of:

 

General comments:

  1. Club
  2. Proposer
  3. Boat Name
  4. Rating Type
  5. Rating FS, NFS
  1. Martin 243 AL – New boat class. The boat is a skiff with a keel.  Has extending wings that are in locked position for racing.  Likely to suffer upwind, due to limited waterline length.  Race results indicate proposed rating fair.  Was discussed in 2012. Main issues with boat were the wings being moveable (but not for racing) and bodies outside of the shear line.  Group decided rating the boat was in PHRF-LO interests, and reasonable given ratings from other PHRF districts.  Did maintain a 6 second protect the fleet on this rating. Boat specifics include a factory aluminium mast versus the more common carbon mast.
    1. WYC
    2. James Dike
    3. Black Shadow
    4. New Class
    5. 69, 102
  1. Mirage 32 – New boat class.  The boat is a Mirage 30 with a sugar scoop transom.  Boat should be rated as a Mirage 30.  Comparable boats – CC30-2 and CS30 and Mirage 32 WK, which was the only rated boat.   Handicapper had discussed sailing ability with prior owner, who agreed with assessments discussed.
    1. CBYC
    2. Owen Schneider
    3. Widgeon
    4. New Class
    5. 165, 189
  1. Catalina 355 WK – New boat class, used rating from a Florida PHRF fleet.  Rating 2 seconds per mile lower than boat it replaced.  Agreed this was reasonable.  Boat has a furling main.
    1. CBYC
    2. Owen Schneider
    3. White Falcon
    4. New Class
    5. 127, 148
  1. Morgan 33T – New Class.  Agreed with handicapper assessment. 
    1. WYC
    2. John Scurr
    3. Abracadabra
    4. New Class
    5. 160, 184
  1. C&C 30-2 XL MOD – New Class modified boat.  This boat is a C&C30-2 which is rated, but is a lighter hull (7,500lbs vs. 8,250lbs), and a three spreader rig.  Boat has two further modifications.  Bulb added to standard keel and has a modified rudder.  Discussion was that the XL is not the same as the standard boat, thus requires a different rating.  Unfortunately little race data is available for the XLs.  Took 3 seconds per mile off standard CC30-2 rating to account for modified keel and rudder.  One handicapper thought it should be more in the 6 second per mile range. 
    1. WYC
    2. John Scurr
    3. Mojo
    4. New Class with MOD
    5. 144, 165
  1. CS 36 MOD – Modified boat.  A simple draft reduction.  Adjusted rating modestly to reflect, agreed with rating.
    1. LSYA
    2. David Morton
    3. Peanca
    4. Modified Boat
    5. 129, 153
  1. Custom 24-II MOD – Modified boat.  A radically modified Shark 24.  Longer mast, deeper blub keel and a modified rudder.  Accepted rating as proposed.
    1. LSYA
    2. David Morton
    3. Frosted Flakes
    4. New class with MOD
    5. 189, 207
  1. Hunter 216 MOD – Modified boat.  Boat is a Hunter 216 with a replacement hull adding approximately 500lbs (33%) to hull weight.  Factory hull replacement to failed original.  Race results supported rating.  Agreed.
    1. LSYA
    2. David Morton
    3. Hero 2.1
    4. Modified boat
    5. 189, 207
  1. Tanzer 28 MOD – Modified boat.  Tanzer 28 with replacement rudder and added weight on keel.  Photos of rudder indicated it is likely a negative to performance.  Added weight on keel unlikely to improve performance materially.  Decided to keep rating of a standard Tanzer 28, only recording modifications.
    1. BPYC
    2. Ross Eddie
    3. Grampus
    4. Modified Boat
    5. 207, 231

Ajax 28 MOD – Modified boat.  A draft modification.  Accepted the suggested rating.

  1. PHYC
  2. Britt Earle
  3. Amor eh
  4. Modified Boat
  5. 186, 210

Two boats remained unrated, due to insufficient information.  Both presented by PHYC.

  1. Hughes 29 MOD – Shorter Mast
  2. Sundance 23 – New Class – 24’ Folk Boat

Handicappers agreed to seek data and information to assist in initial rating.

Item 5 – Round Table

Various issues discussed, none worth noting.

Item 6 – Close

Meeting closed at 10:30PM, TORE thanked SBSC for hosting in the severe weather and providing facilities and warm drinks to PHRF-LO even though SBSC is not a member club.

All results of the meeting were sent to the TORE handicapper and assistants electronically, for feedback.  No disagreement or further comments from those noted in the minutes.

Signed.

Owen Schneider,

PHRF-LO TORE District Chief.

 


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