TORW May 2016

Toronto West PHRF Meeting

May 24, 2016

Attending:

Graham Dougal                QCYC

Michael Brown                  NYC

Cor Stapper                      LSYC

Wayne Parker                   MCC

Larry Stirling                       MCC

John Crawley                     PCYC

New Boats:

Hanse 342 SD.

Same dimensions as the Hanse 342 with the exception of a shoal draft keel at 5.18’.  SP +6 from 120 to 126.  NO -6 PTF.

J

JSP

I

ISP

E

P

LH

LWL

Disp

Draft

Beam

Prop

12.67

12.67

45.58

45.58

14.42

43.33

34.00

30.16

11243

5.18

11.08

SDR

Discovery 7.9 SD SP 219.  There is an outboard version of this with a PHRF LO rating of 213.

J

JSP

I

ISP

E

P

LH

LWL

Disp

Draft

Beam

Prop

11.00

11.00

33.25

33.25

10.00

28.00

26.00

21.75

5100

3.75

8.33

SDR

Dufour 383 GL TM DK:  SP 108 which includes -6 PTF.

J

JSP

I

ISP

E

P

LH

LWL

Disp

Draft

Beam

Prop

12.58

14.00

47.08

47.08

14.75

46.00

36.83

32.42

15081

6.33

12.58

SDR

Jeanneau 37 Sun Odyssey SD 126 no -6 PTF

J

JSP

I

ISP

E

P

LH

LWL

Disp

Draft

Beam

Prop

12.6

12.6

44.67

44.67

12.58

38.67

36.75

31.83

13448

4.75

12.75

SDR

Farr 39 ML.   SP 9, which includes the -6 PTF.  ML stands for Mark Lindsay the builder.  Cookson in New Zealand also built the same boat and called it the Cookson 12M.

J

JSP

I

ISP

E

P

LH

LWL

Disp

Draft

Beam

Prop

1453

16.08

50.07

51.37

19.03

51.90

39.00

34.30

10280

8.50

12.53

SDR

Soto 40.  -27 which includes the -6 PTF

J

JSP

I

ISP

E

P

LH

LWL

Disp

Draft

Beam

Prop

15.91

21.16

52.26

59.42

19.09

53.48

40.35

39.50

10069

8.79

12.34

SDR

Farr 45.  -24 which includes the -6 PTF.  This boat has both spinnaker pole and bowsprit, which are both the same length.

J

JSP

I

ISP

E

P

LH

LWL

Disp

Draft

Beam

Prop

17.86

19.58

59.43

59.43

22.18

61.71

42.28

40.16

15619

9.50

13.91

SDR

Existing boat, different Prop installation:

Tartan 4100 TM SD.  Has a prop and shaft verses the standard saildrive unit.  No change in rating.

Beneteau Oceanis 411 DK.  Draft of 5.58’ compared to the 411 in the database with a draft of 4.75’.

SP 120-6 = 114 no -6 PTF.

J

JSP

I

ISP

E

P

LH

LWL

Disp

Draft

Beam

Prop

16.31

16.31

47.74

47.7

14.83

41.54

41.66

36.08

17200

5.58

13.00

EXP

Factory optional Bowsprits - discussion

There was a lengthy discussion on how PHRF LO treats boat where there is a factory option for a standard pole and symmetrical spinnaker vs a factory bowsprit and asymmetrical spinnaker.

The present system uses the pole and symmetrical spinnaker as standard and penalizes the sprit version if the sprit is longer than 1.15*J, or if the sprit is longer than the pole, by adding the excess sprit length into the spinnaker girth.

In the case of the Archambault 35, a boat with the factory option bowsprit, his 164% Assymmetrical spinnaker is being penalized by -8 (-14+6).

Cerulean a Beneteau 1st 30(2011) has the factory optional bowsprit, his under 180% spinnaker is being penalized based on the pole length of 13.84.  His sprit is a standard 15.55 and he gets a -3 penalty (-9+6)

Moxie II, a C&C 110 Express also has the factory optional bowsprit.  His spinnaker gets a -6 penalty (-12+6)

Transmission a C&C 115 CF, has the factory optional bowsprit.  His undersized spinnaker gets a +2 credit (-4+6) when he should be getting a larger credit.

All of the boats where the builder offered a choice of pole or sprit, penalize the sprit version based on the spinnaker pole length JSP rather than the Sprit length, BSL.

I understand that there are about 15 types of boat that are affected by this.

Toronto West originally gave a rating to the Archambault 35 in 2010 and the Archambault 35 BS in 2011.  PHRF LO elimimated the BS version and bases everything on the non BS version.

Pole and sprit versions of the same boat should be treated as separate boats and not as boats that have switched from symmetrical to a sprit and asymmetrical spinnakers, which is how they are treated now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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